I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. Chiron in Taurus 12 th House. Mine is conjunct with his moon. I'm going to be discussing the characteristics of Chiron in the 10th house in the birth chart.Follow me Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jaleel.darboIn. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Just not what I wanted to hear. Telepathy, visiting one another out of body, lucid dreaming where they communicate with one another, strange psychic links and melding of the two energetic bodies. We are both married similar age kids. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. I also have two stelliums in the 11th and 12th of my natal chart.a total of 8 planets (6 in Leo). I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. Please your opinion. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. Thank you for such an eloquent understanding, this has helped me. It has been a very long journey! It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. They represent different aspects of a relationship. Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Everywords pounding in me. Im trying to figure it out. You may keep your feelings for each other to yourselves for various reasons, not feeling comfortable telling them. *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. His 12th is in Pisces, along with his Sun, Mercury, Venus and Mars. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . One day , you said that people telegraph their natal theme at every instant of their lives. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? Our situation was kind of complicated. I wouldnt say that one is more important than another. But, our composite chart is weird. Its not special, its common. Thank you for reading and I hope this story helps reveal more about the 12th house in composites. Composite Chiron can be strongest when in the composite 1st house or conjunct (aligned with) a composite planet (especially a personal planet - Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars) or composite angle (1st, 4th, 7th, and 10thhouse cusps). this is an aspect on infidelity.it shows he is manipulative and insensitive to you.i would think that he is cheating on your currently. AT ALL. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. The composite chart only reveals so muchcomparing natal charts tells us about the day to day of the people involved, their reactions to one another, their attractions, etc. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Its pretty rare. Don't focus on the superficial parts of the relationship too much. Composite Jupiter in the 12th House With Composite Jupiter in the 12th house, you can find that subconscious issues and motivations, baggage and karma seem to be easier in this pairing, and they don't cause as many issues as they normally do. #2. i think venus in the 12th would be a weak position for a composite chart because it is a cadent house . 12th house issues are not always supportive. We all have things we come in to this life to accomplish, achieve, or learn. Oh wow, Im glad to be reading this after the fact. (We also have some 4th and 8th house synastry with me as the planet person, and 3 planets in the composite 4th). Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. Will we stay together after we have learned our lesson together? In our synastry my North Node/South Node axis is conjunct his MC/IC axis and his Moon conjuncts my IC. Your article is amazing! The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. *Also in synastry- my Vesta conjunct NN in Gemini are the degree right before his Ascendant. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . . His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. Id appreciate any information. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. More, we have a 5 cluster Scorpio in 9 (Moon, Venus, Neptune, Jupiter and Mercury), a composite Sun in Sag in 10, with Pluto and Uranus conjunct in 7 and unaspectted Gemini NN in 4 we also have a lot of 6/12 house contacts in synastry and 21 conjunctions (far from being easy!) Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. Gilly. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. The various areas of your life where there might be certain effects cannot be pinpointed as this stage is a little bit vague. Hello dawn One or two aspects, especially in composite, do not carry the story. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Learn how your comment data is processed. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. let go or fight for it? I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. Chiron in Taurus 12 th House gives rise to feelings of dissatisfaction and indifference. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. Oftentimes, once we surrender to the powers of the 12th house, our lives are transformed by meaning, because those unlikely connections have brought us a wisdom beyond our time together. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. I need help! The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. Lets put it this waythe Davison chart is a time/space chart; its reality is anchored in the actual midpoint between the times of birth and places of birth. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. hello, nice article Dawn. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with . Greetings. This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. This is brilliant and compassionate. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. I havent spoken to him in a couple of years and my heart is still broken. Im from a country in southamerica. Thank you. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. and then mars, Jupiter and neptune in the 2nd. My sun in the 3rd is squeezed in a T-square between Saturn in Pisces, in the 6th and Pluto/Uranus in Virgo, in the 12th. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. This guy in my life puts Libra venus in my 12th (conjuncting my own Libra venus in 12th). Good luck. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Note that composite Venus (12th house) is trine Jupiter/Cupido by implication through its trine with Ceres at 29 Libra. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. Another spin given to the 12th house . Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Could I ask Your opinion? After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. You may feel stressed out about something together or in the relationship, and need to work on this. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. Regine. now chiron. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad The south node lies there on the natal composite. The story of your inability to connect probably has more to do with your individual chart comparisons than the composite chart. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. When someone's Chiron is in the 12th house of their (potential) partner, it represents a relationship in which one person will teach another to embrace mortality and enjoy life while it lasts. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. This resonates with me. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! Topic: Composite Chart: Moon and Chiron in the Seventh House: Solar_Leo_Queen Knowflake . venus+mars, etc. I became reacquainted with a man I grew up with. Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. In composite, we have sun, mercury and part of fortune in the 12th. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. Talking about Fate! My english is not very good. The ego thing is very true. Im also interested in anything about twin flame relationships. Chiron in the 12th house is the last position. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before it-it's our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). In a negative way, the struggles within the partnership will cause the Pluto person to see where his or her behaviour needs adjusting. Ive known couples who are married for long periods of time to have 12th house composites. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. Most of it is illusions I know.. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. Guess our trines from Sun/Moon to Jupiter arent enough to off set. Composite Venus in the 12th House. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. mars is trine composite sun, pluto, uranus jupiter and neptune- but square moon saturn. I often was a bit too demanding of her when it comes to intimacy and I wonder if this is about me learning to let go. I need all the help to understand I can get. It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. What is important to each person in the relationship as far as values, is highlighted with a second sun house in addition to how the couple supports themselves financially, accumulates possessions, and enjoys earthly pleasures. Anything different there? One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. The Autumn Schedule is Here! Or ? and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. I will look into it. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Im sorry, but all of the aspects you mentioned can be used as excuses to pull you back into a relationship that has ended for the other person: in particular, the trines. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. Is there nothing better to hope for? Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. @ more very amazing thing IF this is still not enough proof: My Moon and Mars conjucts his North Node (fairly tight 2-3 degrees conjuction) His NOrth Node conjucts His own Pluto (good old Pluto might just kill me with his north node conjuction (i wonder if that is the plan here?) All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. I am very confused in everything in my life just because of him and the energies. The 12th house is always complex and is different in how it manifests depending on the contacts involved. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. In synastry, his Pluto is in my 12th conjunct my ascendent tightly, and I have nothing in his 12th. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. Thank you for this article. That was over three years ago. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. Thoughts on this combo would be greatly appreciated by me. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) thanks!! Saturn and Pluto also play their part. This can make them appear easily influenced by others, which could lead them to not knowing what direction they should take with their lives. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I will always be exactly where I am now loving you. me and this guy who dont know each other properly have same ascendants and house cusps natally. Posts: 28 From: Planet Earth Registered: Jan 2014: posted January 23, 2014 08:42 PM Hi, . His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. And it KILLS ME! The composite Sun in the first suggests the couple has come together for strength. What gives a better idea of the relationship potential, synastry or composite? Because, of Saturn and Pluto? On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. Lovely article. VERY-VERY SORRY! By looking your article I realized that our composite chart is too difficult to try a relationship but when I examine our natal charts, there are many matchings as well. He knows me better than I know myself at times. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. Forget about where his planets fall in your houses and instead, put your natal chart around the chart of the composite, then do the same with his. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Thank You so much for Your answer! Chiron In 12th House Man, Chiron In 12th House Male. Its impossible to do one without composites or progressed composites. MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. We have Uranus, Mercury, Neptune, Saturn, North Node, Sun in the 12th. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! They rip the rug from under you every other day. Pisces is the mutable water sign overseeing the 12th house. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. Like me, two of my sisters have/had Chiron placements in Gemini. It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. But thank you for helping me face reality. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. These are just a few of the synastry aspects. we activate each others 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 10th and 11th houses also. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Pluto, Sun, Venus & Mercury in the 12th/Virgo. I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. I use both in my practice. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. My life seems to cycle in and out of being able to bring that 12 house/Neptune energy into the everyday world. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). Everyone longs for melding and merging in relationship, but the truth is that separateness makes us interesting to one another. Im glad youre enjoying it. The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. You need to work on bringing body and mind together, as a couple. It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. I am NOT usually like this. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Hello, Skye. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. Look at poor Kurt Cobain, who is the poster boy for this aspect. Thank you very much for the answer. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). Thank you very much. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. so beautiful and so healing especially the last paragraph. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. And they might move next year to another town because of their son so I am already dying from the thought that I will not see him after that. I really feel like there is a wolf howling in a forest at night and I hear his call , I know I am the female wolf and that the call is for me and I have to go to him now. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. I love him more than Ive ever loved any man I knew immediately. Saturn is the heaviest aspected planet in this composite, which actually reinforces the intensity of the Moon/Saturn-opposite theme from synastry. Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. Sun conjunct Neptune is a very difficult thing to live with in a composite chart. Im also sorry to say that trines arent all theyre cracked up to besometimes they just pour energy into whatever else theyre aspecting, in this case, the major square. i imagine these aspects can point to a past life where there was dominance in the work field isuees? Im sorry, Kyveli, but this is too complex a question to answer in the space here. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power.
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