I would go for Diplomatic, because of more Improved Relations and Warscore cost. YzI0ZmIwNjY2ZmQwNTQxZDdlZjYwOWY2ZjA2OWE5M2FlNjVhMjFmM2Y1MzM3 NTVhOTM3MmI1NWY2OTNjZGY1YzlkNWM0NzkxMWU0ZTE2NmQ4ZjlkMGUwZmVk *shrug*. ZGJmMDAyODI0ZTA0YjE4MDExZmI5NThmMTAzYTVhMzdhOWY5OGVjYzJhMzA0 Valve Corporation. 2nd Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWpgb8x6L5pCuakP_137lqADiscord: https://discord.gg/ksDjjUhKHdTwitch: https://www.twitch.tv/theredhawkliveTwitter: https://twitter.com/TheRedHawkYTBecome a member: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSRjWr3pAEaBvi0u6bdexTw/joinIn this video titled EU4 1.33 Holland Guide - PLAYING TALL Is INSANE as Holland I make an EU4 Guide for Holland for Europa Universalis 4 1.33 France. If anyone has any useful advice, it would be much appreciated. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. Some general advice would be nice as well. YTA1YTk5MjhhYmVmYjI3NWRmZjUxN2Y1ZGU3MDU0ZWI3ZjQ4ZGJlM2MxNjY1 -----BEGIN REPORT----- You can do some real damage to armies with the swiss home guard in mountain forts! ZGVmYzFlOGMxNDI1ZWNkNTEyOWYxN2Q0MzIwNmU5YTlmNWUyOWVmZTU5Zjc3 Mjk5MWQ4MjI0MDM2ZjRlNDA2YzFhYWRjYmMwMzg3ODY2Njk0ZTdhZTJkNDVm With economy and dutch ideas your capital has -40% development costs. Y2FjODY0ZGQzMzkzZTBiMDY0ZGExZmU5YzE4ZTUzZTE0ODA1ZDVlMDU0OWM5 When you're still small and vulnerable, you can't risk getting behind in military tech while you won't be expanding fast in the Low Countries due to high development and AE. You are using an out of date browser. My problem is trying to figure out the development/tech/ideas ratio. Usually, I take economic and quantity and take exploration and expansion as third and fourth idea groups. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. ODc4NjZhMzU0OTM5Njc5ZWFhMGQ3ZGNlYWRlY2NkZjRjZDU2NWQxMDUyMjVk Generated by Wordfence at Mon, 1 May 2023 16:24:03 GMT.Your computer's time: document.write(new Date().toUTCString());. Venetia going into the the mamelukes and then going for Hormuz etc. I picked up europa universalis just a couple days ago and want to do a campaign as the Netherlands as my first serious game. Your access to this site was blocked by Wordfence, a security provider, who protects sites from malicious activity. Playing tall in EU IV is a playstyle that many players enjoy. Dithmarschen has the RT bonus as well decent military ideas and quite solid memey missions (there's one that gives permanent +goods modifier for example). In my experience, the Low Countries region is probably the best and most fun region for playing tall, and it also one of the easiest if you are new to playing tall. Provinces in orange must be owned and cored to form the Netherlands. NmI3ZjY5NDU0ZjhlNTE2YzZkMTNjMmFlNTA2YTI0NzViZTIxNDE1Njg5NjRl For the ideas of individual countries, see national ideas. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). N2E5NTFjNGI1ZDAyMDJhMjAwMmI0MTI1MDYxOGVjOWUwYmQ5ZjY5Y2RhNmQ0 ZGU1ZWRlNGE5NWY5Y2JjMGIxZDdkNjJhNzgzNzA4MDI1NzkwYWNmYWEyYmMz Yjg5MjUwZWFiMTExZjU4Njc2NDI0NzNjODJlNzliZWRjNTNjMGIyNGI5YjQ4 Archived post. Scan this QR code to download the app now. It's possibly the most universally viable idea group, and even though you'll be using a lot of mercs as the Netherlands, you'll still be dangerously small with low manpower and force limit early on, and until your trade income takes off you're going to have to field a lot of your own troops. For more information, please see our Quantity, trade, offensive, influence. ZDFhZjI3ODdhMTZjYWFmMWRjMGQ3YWViMmY1MjAyYzM4M2VmYzdhZWYyMzgw M2QwMDE1ZDY3ZGI2ODk0MmEyODZkYWZlM2RiOGJlMWJkNTYxNTM0OGIzYzM5 YWUxYmEzYjcxZDViODc1MDZkYTllMTQ1ZWMwY2VlODljN2Q0MmY0NzBiY2I5 New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. I did start with Exploration first though, every time I'm playing as a minor (Flanders for example) I pick Exploration first. OGYzMzVlNjIzNWM4OTQ4Y2Q4MmM0MjliNzAzNTdiMTVhYmEyZmQwNGVhZTc5 Scan this QR code to download the app now. Missions Main article: Dutch missions I've just played a Ayuttaia game that I'm dropping, because it becamed quite boring after I united the whole Malayan lands, becoming N1 in dev and income, and also due to lack of events or mechanics for SE Asia. Let them come. MjExNzJiNDY0OWFmMGIwMTJhMjgzM2JjYTUwN2Y5ODc3YjM4Y2EzMmJhMDM2 New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. if I wouldn't pick Exploration first, I would definitely not take a military one but an administrative. YTgyMzVjYzcxYTI0YTU2NmFkNmE0MTRiYTAzODNjMDM2MDdjNzk0NTM3NWM4 For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. So my current goal is to do a tall Holland to Netherlands run and form a colonial empire. OGI4NWIyYzhjNWQ0N2JjNTEwMGM1NGJiMTc0YjUxMGJkNTk2M2ZmMzg3ZTY5 JavaScript is disabled. MzI5ZGYwMjViNDYzNjljODRkNTYzYTJkMzlkNjE1OTFhMmZmMmE1Mjc2Zjdm Some Dutch minor into the Netherlands? Switzerland is fun playing defensive and using your troops as mercs to earn money. I also kept the Rothenburger ideas since forming Franconia (I wanted to have no penalties from heretic provinces, which is their first idea). They do start in an awkward position though. If you want to dev the shit out of provinces, Hamburg or Aachen could do. After watching this EU4 Holland guide you will ensure a great start for yourself, and you will have an easy and fun campaign. I recently did a run as the Netherlands as Holland and man, first time I felt a navy was actually worth something - with a sweet navy limit of 400 ships, the amount of money you can get is insane, I think I had a positive profit of 400 ducats a month. MWVkMWI3ZDA5ZjE0YjdlODgyZDcyOTIxMWUzMzQ2ZGNhN2M5MzBjNDg4NzEw #eu4 #europauniversalis4 Awesome game, first decades are challenging since you can't expand very fast but if you limit yourself to the low countries and conquest of coastal centers of trade in Africa + Indian Ocean + Far East you can rack over 1.000 ducats/months of income and >1.000 development in the low countries alone (lowest dev province at 30 . OTE2ODdmZTYwN2ZjYThmNTYxOTQyMzdiMGFkYWM1YWRkOGQwMThmMzE2YmZj What do you think are good idea groups for small but tall nations? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. All rights reserved. . YTc4ZWY3N2QxYTAwZTZhMTkwYWRlZmYwYTY3YjNjMWY3ZWQ1Nzg4Mjc5NWI3 So I'm currently doing a Rothenburg -> Franconia game, and it's my first time playing tall. Traditions tech cost -10% and idea cost -10%; first idea development cost -20%. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I think econmoy is good early idea for netherlands as finsining it has 20% reduction in development costs. Scan this QR code to download the app now. The save file is available for all Tier 1 and above Youtube members in the save-games Discord channel. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I love Diplo. Furthermore, dutch national ideas are designed for tolerance, economy, etc, so taking ideas for this is sort of overkill . As Holland into the Netherlands, you want to go colonial so exploration and expansion are mandatory. Makes for awesome siege ability, and the extra 20% FL also seems like something Holland would like. 62K views 1 year ago An Europa Universalis 4 Top 10 Playing Tall Formable Nations focusing on the best formable national ideas for Eu4 playing tall which is going to illustrate the EU4. ZGFhNTIzNTRlMzAxZjRmN2QxZWJmMzcwZmVhYzcyYzZhMmRmMTkyNzI1MmE5 Some other suggestions would be Denmark, Bavaria, Papacy, and Naples. Hum, I'm a bit fearful of quickly endind by being eaten by France or Burgundy, as I never played in this region. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Archived post. Thanks for the replies everyone but without the ability to ask country`s to support my independence I am going to leave the Netherlands be for now. By this I mean I don't know which one to focus on at any given time. That's how I played my campaign. YjIwYjI3MTRjYjYxMzI0ZTYwMTg4YmQ0NTQ1NjlmNWVkZGE2MmEzZDU0YWVm eyJtZXNzYWdlIjoiZTZlMDJhOTRkZTQzNmVlMTQyMzYxOTQ0NGUzOTljMzg0 All rights reserved. MjBmZGIxYjhhMTM3MTM2Mjk4NWNmMWVjMWFjNzllNTdlNGE1NDkxODU3ZGJk I've been playing Venice without blobbing because I wanted to be a small but powerful nation. ZThmNzM5NTM4NWViN2IzOThhOTY5NGM2Mjc4ODg4YTg5MjUzNTYxYzY0NzIx Archived post. I currently have Economic and Quality ideas. If you're going exploration 3rd, you might as well grab diplo and just steal other peoples colonies. With EU4 1.33 France releasing the meta and the starting moves for many nations on the map has changed, so of course new and up to date guides are needed. You must log in or register to reply here. Third idea should then be either Exploration, to get colonies going, or a military idea of your choosing. Don't you find taking exploration so early is "underutilised", i.e without doing tricky things like taking a province in Brittany you can't get very far. -----END REPORT-----. I am planning to play tall, once I have all the low lands regions I am mostly going to focus on becoming a trade and colonial power. This is an unofficial video, not endorsed by Paradox Interactive.An EU4 1.33 Guide for Holland and eventually Netherlands or Eu4 Netherlands in which we do the EU4 independence war against eu4 burgundy who could have been eu4 lotharingia except it died cause it's just eu4 burgundy and we're eu4 holland omg this is amazing bla blaThe following DLC is used in this series:Eu4 Origins leviathan Emperor DLC, Dharma, Rule Britannia, Cradle of Civilization, Third Rome, Mandate of Heaven, Rights of Man, Mare Nostrum, The Cossacks, Common Sense, El Dorado, Art of War, Res Publica, Wealth of Nations, and Conquest of Paradise.#eu4 #eu4holland #eu4playingtall #eu4netherlands You can colonize and have probably the most cost effective land for deving in Europe. Also, with provinces being as highly developed as they are, the corecost reduction is especially sweet. Innovative sucks, i would switch it with humanist or expansion for helping expansion into Asia/Africa or economic if you want to play tall. NTFmMzVlNzA3ZTM0OThlZmQwYTM2ZmVlMDkwZDJjMjIyMzgwNTY0MmJhZmEw NjdmYWI3ZTFlNmM0YmVhOTliZGM3MzQzNmVjOGNiODMxYmExYmRiNTIyMDc2 Oh and the only DLC I have is common sense and art of war just so you know. I think diplomatic and trade ideas are well suited for building small but tall countries (ally to fight your wars, trade for money which gives you mercs). Egalitarians prefer freerange, organic xenoburgers. NEW EU4 Playing Tall META Changes EVERYTHING Ludi et Historia 159K subscribers Join Subscribe 10K Share Save 204K views 10 months ago #eu4 #eu4playingtall #eu4netherlands In This EU4. Archived post. OWExMWEwZWM1NTVhMDNmOGQ2YjBmNjZjNGU3MDhjYjA2MjBkZjIzYjMyMzU0 NmQ3YmIxMjI5OWQzODA4NTY1M2JiYjY0N2RkNDAwYjFjMzY5NWI1YTEwZDA3 MzIwMzllZGU4NjQ5YTk1NTM2NGE0Nzk4NDM1YTNkNDdkY2E2NmVkMjkyNTAw MGNlYTQ0YTYxOTc5NjlmYTI5NzI5ZWE0YWRlNzEyM2M1ODJkM2NmZGUxNmY3 Espionage may be fun, just to give you something to do via support rebels as well as the -20% reduce AE when you do decide to take a few more HRE provinces. I don't really know what to do do now, bare bulliyng the Ming (who is already falling appart as I've eaten all his tributaries), or wage unterminable wars against Spain for the few isles they have in Philippines. You'll get a TON of monarch points, a lot of money (Milan is pretty much the most developed 4-provinced minors in the world) and cool ideas (both cheaper tech and ideas) Once you're confident enough you can form Italy, adopt its' ideas (mainly for cheaper core creation) and blob out of proportion. I prefer waging war against Burgundy, so as to release the other minors, but you can get your independence for free if you manage to get the support of all three rivals. Any suggestions for a newbie friendly nation for my first playthrough? After that, you can mix and match to suit your playstyle, but be sure to include production efficiency +20% followed by goods produced +20% and a morale +20% to stack with the peasant republic bonuses. What idea groups should I be looking at down the road? YTM4ODg4YTdjNmJiZjEzNTIwNDdkNTVmZGVmNDg2ZjE1YTExMzMwNjgzYmZl I am tight, tall, high quality and ready to roll out the Merchants and fleets on to my global infrastructure. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. All rights reserved. https://youtu.be/N97_INwKhBI PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ludiethistoria TWITCH http://www.twitch.tv/ludiethistoria DISCORD https://discord.gg/TjNRkGnYkwCheck out my Twitch Vods Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCri3qYX24n8cpPp2g4xtA4Q You can Also Check My Personal Channel Here! https://www.youtube.com/c/Ludisan More Starting Moves Guides in this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrsZC4e_2qJ_CfLMUMsP4d2ylMwdxWPrE Europa Universalis IV is a grand strategy games published by Paradox Interactive. Yzg0MzAxYTBmMDFhNDkxNmM5ZTE1Njg1OWZhYTllZWY0YjBiZTJhZmRiMGQw playing as an opm the entire game is an even smaller chunk of the community than building up a whole region (say Ireland or the Netherlands as an example). OTI5NDVlZDE3YzU2MWEyYWIyY2YwODdhNGU0MTJlMmZmMzI4YWQ1OGFlNDg3 ZjBlN2NjYjIxZWFjZmY5ZTIyYzg3MGM2MTdlMThlZTQxYTczMGYzYjdmNzk5 NjgwNWQyMGEyNzA1YWUwZTU0NGZiNTI1N2IxOTQ0NjY3YTZjZDlhYTJmOTBi A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the grand strategy game Europa Universalis IV by Paradox Development Studio. NDdhNTAyMTM3NmI2OTI3NmQzODVhYjBiYjE0ZTU4Njc0NDk1MTFiZTEwOWFk Thread starter Johnhawkwood; Start date Apr 23, 2018; . Maybe administrative for mercenary cost bonuses. MWUyZjg3ZDRiMjUwYWY0MGQ1M2ZlYTRiZjk3ZDgwNDZjMDUwY2MyODg5ZWM3 JavaScript is disabled. Playing tall is my preferred playstyle, and I can tell you that you can play a fun, successful, tall campaign just about anywhere, even mountainous Switzerland (one of my favorite areas and my most recent tall campaign). I'm on my second Holland -> Netherlands play through on this patch. The rest is ok, i don't usualy go for plutocracy because it's not available but it looks good, +10% Morale +20% Mapower Recovery +2.5 Merc Discipline seem pretty good for a single idea group. My Idea Groups for Holland. If you are sitting too long at 100%war score burgundy will automatically realease you without any penalties and the ability to get the BI, but if the BI goes to Spain or Austria you'll have a hard time forming the dutchies. Try to make the silk road! N2IyNDVlZDFlZTYxYjJhMmE3MTA0MjBhNGY3NWZhZWY3OGJhMWU3ZTU0N2Vj NEW EU4 Playing Tall META Changes EVERYTHING Ludi et Historia 159K subscribers Join Subscribe 10K Share Save 204K views 10 months ago #eu4 #eu4playingtall #eu4netherlands In This EU4. The challenge mostly depends on your starting situation and how much you limit yourself throughout the campaign. Privacy Policy. Europa Universalis IV. Truth be told, the necessary tools for a successful tall campaign did not exist in the game's early days. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. If you believe Wordfence should be allowing you access to this site, please let them know using the steps below so they can investigate why this is happening. I thought I might share my thoughts on idea groups/strategy for Holland. NDVhNTBmMTA1ZjNiZjQzYjkzMTVmMWQ1ODhkNWUyNWUzY2JmMmM1NjMyZDky As well has reducing interest on your loans that has proven vital for my play through when involved in wars against austria. ZTU3NGY1YjE5NDllNjliZTEyMGQ0ZTM5NTlkNTgzZTcwZGQ2ZjllZGE2MjA2 So Espionage is an option for the -20 AE because you will always be waiting on AE to die down. I did start with Exploration first though, every time I'm playing as a minor (Flanders for example) I pick Exploration first. Y2ZkNjRiZTlmYjU1YWQ3NWJkNmNkZmYxMzY1N2NhYmZmMzhiMzE2NDQ2ZWY4 I would go with Exploration, you want to be as competitive as you can be in the coloizing game. Quality, offensive and economic make a good trio for tall nations. EUIV: AAR's, Let's Plays, and Fan Fiction, EU IV: Alternate History Short Story Contest Contr, When Murder Solves Everything - a CK3 Flanders AAR, http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198096305352/. Maybe Offensive instead of Quality? In This EU4 Holland Guide we start as Holland, get independence from Burgundy and Play Tall with few provinces and get more income than anyone elseHere's the version of this video where you fight the independence war! OWZlYmQyMzE5ODljZmYyZTk1YWVlN2JiYTYwZWFkNWUzNTMyZTU0YzllNTk1 Nzc3M2ZjMTk0ZmRkYzA3NGNhMWEyOGQ5NmY5NzI2NjAyY2M1ZWJkNGYzNDIz The biggest question is when you should unlock them. For the ideas of American natives, see native ideas. Europa Universalis 4 Wiki Active Wikis AoW: Planetfall Cities: Skylines Crusader Kings 3 Empire of Sin Europa Universalis 4 Hearts of Iron 4 Imperator: Rome Prison Architect Stellaris Surviving Mars Surviving the Aftermath Vampire: The Masquerade Victoria 3 5. universe2844 3 yr. ago. Lucrative trade opportunities, locally and overseas, have resulted in a swift evolution for the country into one of the first capitalist countries in the world. The only advantage it has is the +20% Infantry CA from the policy with Quality. I don't plan on disbanding the HRE unless it looks like the Emperor is going to revoke the privilegia. Since your provinces are few and have much more tax/production than manpower, you'd rely on mercs for war, as you will also have more than enough money to support your merc infantry. I take trade in the first four ideas, because my Holland games are all about starving the rest of the world of ducats. Can play Dithmarschen who has too, for extra challenge. MTA4ZmFjOTQ1M2U3YWMzZDI5YWY2MCIsInNpZ25hdHVyZSI6IjQ3M2I0ZWEz By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The Dutch are emerging as one of Europe's most capable naval and colonial powers. The act of conquering the Netherlands is simple to do. MmZmMzFiMmJmYzcyNjBjYzJjMDRmNmQyNGExMzJlZjQ5MzlmNWNkZTNmMDc5 You are using an out of date browser. This is an unofficial video, not endorsed by Paradox Interactive.An EU4 1.33 Guide for Holland and eventually Netherlands or Eu4 Netherlands in which we do the EU4 independence war against eu4 burgundy who could have been eu4 lotharingia except it died cause it's just eu4 burgundy and we're eu4 holland omg this is amazing bla blaThe following DLC is used in this series:Eu4 Origins leviathan Emperor DLC, Dharma, Rule Britannia, Cradle of Civilization, Third Rome, Mandate of Heaven, Rights of Man, Mare Nostrum, The Cossacks, Common Sense, El Dorado, Art of War, Res Publica, Wealth of Nations, and Conquest of Paradise.#eu4 #eu4holland #eu4playingtall #eu4netherlands What others should I be looking at to play tall in the HRE? Cookie Notice ZWRmNGI4ZjFlIn0= After countless patches and DLCs, you can finally comfortably build up your nation without conquering vast swathes of land! and our EU4 1.33 Holland Guide - PLAYING TALL Is INSANE as Holland The Red Hawk 103K subscribers Join Subscribe 3.5K Share 125K views 8 months ago #eu4 #europauniversalis4 2nd Channel:. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This guide covers the opening moves, getting independence form Burgundy, diplomacy, estates, alliances, subjects, missions, national ideas, and more! MmUyMGQ4OWJmMDZiYjQzNjkyNGFmMjZlOWQ3MzkyN2ZjNWFlNjllYjkwODU1 Normally economy and trade are subpar idea groups because you're trading monarch points for gold. Gives your military an edge, economy helps keep the ducats flowing so you can build infrastructure and it unlocks a +5% discipline policy. https://youtu.be/N97_INwKhBI PATREON https://www.patreon.com/ludiethistoria TWITCH http://www.twitch.tv/ludiethistoria DISCORD https://discord.gg/TjNRkGnYkwCheck out my Twitch Vods Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCri3qYX24n8cpPp2g4xtA4Q You can Also Check My Personal Channel Here! https://www.youtube.com/c/Ludisan More Starting Moves Guides in this playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrsZC4e_2qJ_CfLMUMsP4d2ylMwdxWPrE Europa Universalis IV is a grand strategy games published by Paradox Interactive. MTVhMzA0MDNkM2I1NTMyNzg2NGJjNDEzYmE3NTI1MjYzMmYyNDIxNjc3YjMz Lucrative trade opportunities, locally and overseas, have resulted in a swift evolution for the country into one of the first capitalist countries in the world. For the practical guide on idea groups, with analysis and recommendations, see Idea groups guide.. As a nation develops technologically, it unlocks the ability to gain additional idea groups.Investing into a full idea group can take a long time and cost several decades worth of power. EUIV: AAR's, Let's Plays, and Fan Fiction, EU IV: Alternate History Short Story Contest Contr, https://eu4.paradoxwikis.com/Republic#Republican_Dictatorship. You must log in or register to reply here. Your lands are very rich, you are at an end node, and you can colonize if you want. YmQ3ZWZjZTg4ODMwODUzNzRhNzE0NmRjNWMwNmMxNGE2MzgxZWRkNzI2YWIx YjMxMWI5YWJlZTg2MDM1MzNmMjk4NGNkNDJmYWY3YjVjMjcyMjRjNzEwODUw In This EU4 Holland Guide we start as Holland, get independence from Burgundy and Play Tall with few provinces and get more income than anyone elseHere's the version of this video where you fight the independence war! if you want a really tall campaign take breda in your independence war. MDA0NzY3YmQ3ODk3NGQyOTkwMDhiMjNmNzQyMjYxNGEwMWU0YTMzOTRkNWIz ODhiZTk1MDQyMGZjNjAxZTUxMDEyZjdiZmJjYWJjMjk2ZTNmZDU3MDFhNjZj The low countries are my go to tall play, namely Holland, you become quite safe after getting independence since you join the HRE. Even tall, you can use the extra diplo relations for more allies and diplomats for more curry favors. I find Administrative as a first ideagroup to be even more awesome for Holland. This is because the aspects that are central to playing tall (building slots, trade goods, trade nodes etc) become accessible by just taking more land as well. I do not plan on expanding any further. ZTc4Mzg4YzQwZWQyYTBjMjllOGI1NWZiMDE5NGUxZTgwZTFkNGU0OGEwZmM2 YjI1OWMxNjY4NTA0N2QwMzgxZWU2ZGJjN2YyMzhlZGIyNTc1YTlmZWVjY2Y5 This EU4 Holland starting moves guide or EU4 Holland starting moves tutorial will ensure that you get a great start for yourself playing as the nation of Holland. Zjc1ZTllNDQ1OTYzNWQyNTFmYzMyY2MyMzE5YmVmMGI4YWM0OWIzZDA5ZWY0 Both have +0.3 RT in their ideas. Innovative sucks, i would switch it with humanist or expansion for helping expansion into Asia/Africa or economic if you want to play tall. I own every Franconian province, and only them. The Dutch are emerging as one of Europe's most capable naval and colonial powers. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Holland is one of the best nations for playing tall, having a massive army that is also extremely powerful, being extremely rich, dominating trade, forming The Netherlands and more! Peasant republic. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I just wanted to know which ideas are best for this and in what order I should adapt them. Copy Prussia.